Yeah pointing out facts that is such a lawyer thing to do. And that is how you obfuscate things by bringing out facts. Or by bringing out what the law actually says and not what it should say when speaking about a legal matter.
Richard Oliver
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
So Orphan Crow. I showed you that Watchtower does acknowledge that Child Abuse can include that of child pornography and in fact more than child pornography but sexting with a minor. Does that mean that your argument falls flat in the water and doesn't leave the gate.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
I should have posted the full point 2. the point is to give a definition of what is sexual child abuse.
2. Child abuse includes the sexual or physical abuse of a minor. It would also include the extreme neglect of a minor by her parent. Child sexual abuse is a perversion and generally includes sexual intercourse with a minor; oral or anal sex with a minor; fondling the genitals, breasts, or buttocks of a minor; voyeurism of a minor; indecent exposure to a minor; or soliciting a minor for sexual conduct. Depending on the circumstances of the case, it may include involvement with child pornography or “sexting” with a minor. “Sexting” describes the sending of sexually explicit messages or images electronically
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
It would be documents
Letter from Watchtower Australia to All Bodies of Elders regarding Protecting Minors from Abuse
Child Safeguard Policy of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
Also Orphan Crow you neglected to state where is that policy on child pornography coming from. It is under section 11 Child Sexual Abuse from a Scriptual Standpoint.
Also from the letter to bodies of elders Protecting Minors from Abuse Page 1 section 2. Depending on the circumstances of the case, it may include involvement with child pornography or “sexting” with a minor. “Sexting” describes the sending of sexually explicit mes-sages or images electronically.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
From
Child Safeguarding Policy of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia:
Page 2 Point 9 Dated 7 March 2017
If congregation elders learn of a case of child abuse in which a child may still be at risk of harm, they will ensure that a report to the police or other appropriate authorities is made immediately.
From
Protecting Minors from Abuse
Page 2 Point 6Dated August 1, 2016
To ensure that elders comply with child-abuse reporting laws, two elders should immediately call the Legal Department for legal advice when the elders learn of an accusation of child abuse. (Rom. 13:1-4) A call should be made even when both persons involved are minors.
And Watchtower current policy is not limited to just those that are members of the elders congregation.
From
Protecting Minors from Abuse
Page 2 Point 6 Dated August 1, 2016
• The alleged abuse occurred many years ago.
• The alleged abuse is based on the testimony of only one witness.
• The alleged abuse is believed to be a repressed memory.
• The alleged abuse involved perpetrators or victims who are deceased.
• The alleged abuse is believed to have already been reported to the secular authorities.
• The alleged perpetrator or victim is not a member of your congregation.
• The alleged perpetrator is a non-Witness associating with the congregation.
• The alleged abuse occurred before the alleged perpetrator or victim was baptized.
• The alleged victim is now an adult.
• The alleged abuse occurred in the past, and it is unclear whether your congregation elders ever called the Legal Department for direction.
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Is Stephen Lett an alien imitation?
by LoveUniHateExams ini've been watching quite a bit of gb member stephen lett on youtube recently (no, i'm not thinking of going back to the jws).. i just find him compulsive viewing, like when people slow down to see a car crash.
i find his facial expressions and intonation spell-binding.. it reminds me a bit of john carpenter's the thing, a film where an alien life-form infects a host and imitates it, spreading throughout camps of remote workers in the antarctic.
if i were a bethelite living in close proximity to lett, i'd be thinking about giving him the blood test to see if he was normal, lol.. why does lett speak in public the way he does?
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Richard Oliver
I never said that, his family member was in the audience for every talk. But most people when they learn a habit as a young person especially when speaking or was doing something for a long time, it will stick with them. That is how accents are formed because you learn to speak with that so it is hard to get rid of it.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
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Again my point was you have to look at the totality of the policy or the totality of the law. The policy that Watchtower has stated is that they will report if there is a child that is still in danger and as been constantly been stated here, child pornography keeps victimizing the child. Again I use the example of Alaska where there are two sepeate statutes one is the statute on child pornography where it does not mandate anyone to report that someone else is in posession, has made or is distributing child pornography, does that mean that no one is mandated to report that, if you just look at that one law, then yes. But a single law is not in a vaccum, you have to look at it in the context of all the other laws, the other law is that if a processor of film or other visual forms of media sees child pornography they are mandated to report that.
So in similar fashion, yes the Watchtower policy does not state that those that watch Child Pornography must be reported to the police in that section, you have to look at the full policy together. It does state that if either the elder or the branch feel that the child is still in danager, then they are to report the matter.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
What is the answer that you gave, that you don't care about the grey areas.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
exhibit list.
joint statement of o'brien and spinks.
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Richard Oliver
Did I say that it wasn't child abuse. I said how could this be considered in the jurisdiction of a commission that is mandated to investigate not just child abuse, but child abuse in institutions.